On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 04:28:45PM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Fetter [mailto:david at fetter.org] 
> > Sent: 19 September 2006 16:08
> > To: Dave Page
> > Cc: Jan Wieck; slony1-general at gborg.postgresql.org
> > Subject: Re: [Slony1-general] Migrating From gBorg
> > 
> > > No, it's common sense.  Marc's day job is running his servers
> > > which he knows inside out.
> > 
> > With due respect, his day job is working at the university, and he
> > does not make his living running servers.  In fact, he loses money
> > at that.
> 
> Err, I think you'll find Marc stopped working at the University a
> number of years ago. I'd be interested to know how you have such
> knowledge of his accounts btw.

My mistake.

> > > Mine is running Vale Housing's servers.  I'll back up Marc as
> > > far as the postgresql.org resources are concerned but neither I,
> > > nor anyone else can be expected to know his systems as well as
> > > he does and it is inevitable
> > 
> > No, it's not.
> 
> Why? Do you think you could come here and fix a problem with our
> mail relays more quickly than I could? 

It's not inevitable.  His failure to delegate is what makes it
currently be so.

> > It's not about "as quickly," it's about Marc's refusal to take the
> > appropriate steps now that the project is much bigger than he has
> > any idea how to deal with.  He consistently refuses to delegate,
> > and does not answer hard questions.  This is the behavior of a
> > petulant spoiled brat, not an infrastructure provider, and it's
> > important to the PostgreSQL project in general and Slony-I in
> > particular that our stability not be subject to his whims.
> 
> Yes, it has been that way in the past, however that is changing as
> the problem has become apparent, and has changed a number of times
> in the past as we've added more people with adminitrative access to
> different servers.  Don't forget, we do use the -core list
> occasionally, as well as other channels of communication so just
> because something hasn't been announced on -www doesn't mean it
> hasn't happened. :-).

Great.  Tell us about what happens when Marc gets hit by a bus, or
goes camping for 2 weeks.  Tell everybody, because this secrecy
business is a crock of shit.

> > In fact, we can do just that.  Part of the deal of becoming a
> > provider is that you agree to certain terms, which we can spell
> > out.
> 
> We don't have the luxury of being that selective.  It's not like we
> have people clawing at the gates to give us free servers, power and
> bandwidth.

As a matter of fact, we have exactly those things.  Commandprompt is
one, and Stefan Kaltenbrunner's outfit is another.  We could easily
get more from Greenplum and eDB, too.

Cheers,
D
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